What Christmas Means to Me

Posted: December 24, 2008 in Inside 411, Keep it real, Snap, Crackle and POP Culture, Testify
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I could use this post to say so much, but I won’t.

The season is great (although the shoppers are not). The TV and movies are splendid. The food is divine. But leave it to a thumb-sucking, blanket-carrying minuature wunderkind to describe the true meaning of Christmas.

And, oh by the way, this testimony of Christ is on national TV proving there are still some things you can’t edit. Thank God for Charlie Brown (and the genius of Vince Guaraldi, the man tickling those ivories in all Peanuts shows).

HiScrivener is taking a break with My Fair Lady and my lil’ Wall Watchers. I pray God’s rich blessings on all of you who have bookmarked and visited the Wall for your online Christian punditry. Be back after the holiday hangover. Be filled, be focused and be favored with God’s love in the New Year.

Now, take it away Linus!

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  1. hiscrivener says:

    It’s not speechless, it’s more resolve than anything.

    AMV is a devout Muslim, who is taught that all roads end with Allah and Muhammad. Conversely, I am a strident Christian, who firmly believes my life began the moment I accepted Jesus Christ and his blood atoning work on the cross.

    We can nitpick each other’s doxology all day long, and it won’t help. If there is a truth to witnessing, it’s through relationship. Build a friendship and live a Godly lifestyle, as I have done with my Muslim friends.

    The dogmatic conflict for most Muslims is the confirmation of a belief in true God. Most Muslims think all Christians believe in the Trinity and consider monotheism exclusive to Jews and Muslims. Confirming a strong belief in one God has created an instant bond with my friends at least. In tandem with this, most Muslims (as AMV believe Jesus was ONLY a prophet and had the Holy Spirit in Him. He was more than a prophet, he was the only Son of God (John 3:16, and the rest of the book really).

    Moreover, if I have learned anything about witnessing to a Muslim, it’s this: keep it private. I don’t know about AMV, but there is an intense public and family pressure to stay true to Islam. In a public forum, the gloves stay on. In private, ears will open and blind eyes will see, if you forgive the biblical allegory.

    This post was about a pagan holiday, and we agreed upon that. Then, it took a turn for who is Jesus, and that’s where we disagree. Sad, but true.

  2. cool guys says:

    Cool! It looks like hiscrivener is speechless, It was a nice experience to learn from this debate. Good job askmuslims, I hope hiscrivener can reply you but i think he cannot and that ends the game and check made. hiscrivener if the priest cannot help you answer this dude you should really think about your believes and stop preaching. I will stop visiting your site from now on because I got what i was looking for.

  3. Peace be with you and everyone who is reading this,

    1.Glad to see you acknowledging that.

    2. I am really upset with what you said about the prophets. I have dismissed this argument of yours in the Rubbish Bin because you said all the prophets of God are full of sin and didn’t care to provide me reference from the Bible where Jesus said so.

    We Muslims believe that all the prophets were sinless and will go to paradise(with out somebody dying for their sins). What right do you have to talk dirty about the prophets? Remember what Jesus said:

    I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist.. [Matthew 11: 11]

    According to Jesus as reported in the Bible, John is probably greater than Jesus as Jesus was also born of a woman.

    3. I agree with you that no one killed Jesus and God saved him from that ignoble death, which means that he didn’t die for (y)our sins. Nobody dies for anybody’s sins, which makes sense. Your statement “Jesus was God” has already been dismissed in my Trash Can as you didn’t care to show me where Jesus made such claim.

    Let’s examine what John10:11 says:

    I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.[John10:11]

    That’s the duty of a shepherd. What good is a shepherd if he runs away leaving his sheep behind? Now it’s your interpretation that this means he is going to die for everyone’s sins. How about this verse, where Jesus is praying to God to save him from being killed?

    My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.[Matthew 26:39]

    Does it mean that he doesn’t want to lay down his life for his sheep? Also, who is Jesus praying/talking to here, to himself? If yes, it makes absolute nonsense.

    Let’s see what John 17-18 says:

    As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world [John 17-18]

    I’ll just quote you the following verse and it’s self explaining:

    “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel [Mathew 10: 5-6]

    4. Mate, I have no right to ask you how you raise your kids. That was just a rhetorical question that I asked you. What I believe is we should do what our scripture tell us to, not what pleases our family/kids.

    5. That’s an absurd statement.

    i. First it didn’t answer my question. My question was, how would you know whether a book is from God or not? I know you said 100s of people should be inspired to say the same thing. The question is how do you know that those people were inspired by God? It’s quite possible that they wrote what they feel like and passed it down as word of God? Think about it, there are several books that claim to be from God, how would you disqualify them?

    ii. Now it’s time to refute what you said about the Bible. Pay attention, you said God inspired 100s of people to say the SAME thing right? How about the following things?

    (a) Who killed Goliath?

    David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine’s sword and drew it from the scabbard. After he killed him, he cut off his head with the sword.[1 Samuel 17:23, 50]

    OR

    In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. [2 Samuel 21:19]

    So, was it David or was it Elhanan who killed Goliath?

    (b) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

    Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year.[2 Kings 8:26]

    OR

    Ahaziah was Forty two years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year.[2 Chronicles 22:2]

    So, was Ahaziah 22 or 42 years old?

    (c) What were the last words of Jesus when he “died”?

    About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me…And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. [Mathew 27:46, 50]

    OR

    Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. [Luke 23:46]

    OR

    When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. [John 19:30]

    So, whom do you trust here, Mathew,or John or Luke or None?

    Think about it mate, the story of Resurrection is mentioned in four gospels. Why do you need to repeat the same story four times? It doesn’t make any sense and

    unfortunately, it is the touch stone for you to examine a scripture.

    Of course I’ll have my retorts as you have insulted my prophets and made a mockery of what/how a scripture should look like. Mate, think about it, you’ve already assumed what truth is in which case no analysis can help you get to the straight path. I also want to make it clear that I don’t have any intention to convert you, it does me no good. I just request you to examine what you believe.

    May God guide us always closer to the truth.

    Note: Please reply in the same order so that it makes easy to read and reply. In other words, reply to the points correspondingly to avoid confusion.

  4. cool guys says:

    What the hell! that doesn’t sounds like reply to me. Anyway i will wait for askmuslims volunteer to reply to your comments.

  5. hiscrivener says:

    AMV,

    That job thing keeps getting in the way with travels and all. Sorry about the delay. Hrm, let’s see…

    1. I did give the address, Jeremiah 10. Check it out for yourself. Many theologians ascribe the pagan practice noted in those scriptures as one precursor to what we now call Christmas. You have to understand, that holiday is an amalgamation of a few select global cultures found in ancient Mesopotamia (Marduk returning faithfulness), Scandinavia (with Oden and the Yule log), Greece (with Saturnalia), the Romans (the first to actually “Deck their Halls) and then there is the actual patron saint of sailors, St. Nicholas. Christmas is a melting pot, and I already acknowledged that.

    2. Which leads to what many centuries of theologians believe in that Jesus was actually born of a virgin… except in August. God caused him to be born of a virgin, and without sin. Prophets were men and full of sin. Jesus was God in the flesh, and without sin. That is what makes him different, and the Savior of all mankind (John 1:1,14; John 8:24, 58; John 10:30-33… for example).

    3. You are correct. No one “killed” Jesus. He was God. With one word, he could have stopped it all. He gave his life for all mankind, included the very Jews who persecuted him. (John 10:11, 17-18)

    4. I am nowhere near too legalistic to not allow my children joys of life within reason, as long as they clearly understand who God is, why we celebrate his Son and enjoy his Holy Spirit. Some things are refused and others are not. Please don’t question the way I raise my children. That’s too close, and I don’t allow anyone to do that. No one.

    5. There is only one book from God – the Bible. And that’s because he inspired 100s of people to say the same thing, and is quoted of saying it himself.

    I suppose you will have your retorts, and you are welcome to them. Thank you for your blessings and stimulating conversation.

    Peace,
    HiScrivener
    4.

  6. cool guy says:

    WOW! good questions askmuslims volunteer.

  7. Peace be with you,

    Yes Prophet Muhammad was a man very much like Prophet Jesus. You say that Jesus was divine, did Jesus ever say that?
    Look, we are told in the Quran not to discriminate against any of His Messengers[Quran 2:285]. So I can’t really discuss who is superior and who is inferior, it’s God’s business not mine.

    1.What do you mean Christmas is found in Jeremiah? I mean what does it say? Please provide reference.

    2. Well, we differ in a myriad of things. If I start listing them, you would probably run out of space on your blog.
    Jesus was Savior and so was every prophet of his time. Was Jesus a Savior for the whole of mankind? I don’t think so as Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of

    the nation of Israel”. [Matthew 15:24]
    I don’t believe that the Jews were ever successful in killing him, that’s your understanding that they were. Here is what the Quran says:
    But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety

    they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. [Quran 4:157-158]
    What do you mean he gets his own religion? Please clarify.

    3. You mean you follow whatever pleases your kids/family?

    I have a question, how do you judge whether a book is from God or not? I mean what is your criteria that a book should fulfill in order for it to be from God? Here is my opinion about the same question:

    i.First the book should say that it’s from God.
    ii.Second, it should sound like it is from God.
    iii.It should be free of errors/inconsistencies.
    iv.In it should be guidance for the people. etc..

    What do you say?

    May God guide us always closer to the truth.

    Note: Whenever you quote Bible, please provide reference.

  8. hiscrivener says:

    See, that’s the thing.

    The prophet Muhammad, while being sacrosanct and pious in his own right, was still a man – not a divine being. So, there’s the inference. Thank you for the video link, and although informational, that’s how. A few other notes:

    1. Although not given a marketing terminology, Christmas is found in Jeremiah, as noted in the previous post. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

    2. Jesus was a prophet, but that’s where we differ. He was also Savior of mankind, and currently, the only man who once was dead and is now alive. Hence, he gets his own religion and yours truly as a zealot.

    3. I do agree. Christmas is completely man-made because of its marketing aspect. The biblical and ecumenical inference is what the Church holds sacred. But why do I cherish a jolly old fat man in a red suit? I have kids. It’s not compromise. It’s family. When they are old enough to understand there is no Santa, they will be old enough to truly understand salvation. It’s a wash.

    But keep your questions coming. You would be surprised where I have Muslim friends.

  9. hiscrivener, you said “Christmas is indeed in the Bible” but you never proofed me were, can you do that please?

    Regarding my second question you agree with me but you do celebrate it just because other do it right?

    third question you basically agree with me but you celebrate it.

    I am not sure how you got Ramadan and Eid ul-Fitr to be man made dates because it was done at the time of Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him). I could encourage you to watch 3 minutes video explaining Ramadan in Brief http://askmuslims.blogspot.com/2008/08/short-explanation-of-ramadan.html .

    Lastly you said people need days on a calender for things like that but by saying that you are going against the teaching of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). If you read the article on Christmas you will see that date was chosen in keeping with the holidays already indoctrinated into pagans beliefs.

  10. hiscrivener says:

    Hello there and Assalam Alaikum.

    I was on Christmas break, so that explains the span between your question and my reply. Now then, to the matter at hand.

    1. Christmas is indeed in the Bible, but if you are searching for Santa, Rudolph and precious picturesque moments under a hearth, you will be waiting a long time. Jeremiah 10 clearly discusses a pagan practice – yes, pagan – of “cutting down a tree”. Yep, they are making an idol.

    2. No, he wasn’t. For anyone to think three dudes were walking around in togas in December during the mad chill of the desert moonlight is sorely mistaken. What theologians have known for years, and now apparently the rest of the world thanks to recent stories, Jesus was indeed a Virgo.

    3. And to be honest, Jesus wouldn’t have to celebrate CHRIST-mas, seeing how this is a man-made day to celebrate Christ’s Mass during the 9th century. Not really a trapping question there, is it?

    In short, those are all needless questions. All HOLY days are man-made. Heck, Ramadan is as well, as is Eid ul-Fitr. We are all encouraged, in any religion, to take times whether in festive occasion or times of meditation. Christians have a day to commemorate the birth of Christ. Although it’s not in December, there is no debate that it really happened.

    People need days on a calendar for things like that. It keeps the blood flowing. 🙂

  11. My Christian friend I am still waiting for your answers.

  12. Hello,

    I would like to know few things from you:

    1) Does Christmas have Biblical Evidence? (from my reading of Bible there is none)

    2) Was Jesus born on Dec. 25? ( from my reading of Bible there is no mention of date)

    3) Did Jesus or his Companions Celebrate Christmas? (Nope! again)

    Then why do you celebrate if your book, Jesus (peace be upon him) or his companions never talked about it.

    Lastly if you think you are proof things then visit http://askmuslims.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-did-jesus-say-about-christmas.html and lets just discuss. The goals for this discuss won’t be to insult but to learn, we hope you can join us at the blog.

    Peace.

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