Lotto with the Lord Jesus: You win some, you lose some

Posted: August 28, 2008 in Above the Fold, Follow up, Good for a Giggle, On Your Wall, WWJD
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Irony! Ain’t it great.

Just the other week, we spray painted a post on the Wall about gambling and Christianity because of a man that won his state lottery of $6M and cut a tithe check to his church. How faithful, right? Well, the church gave him the Heisman and dude kept his cash.

Amazing how churches are supposed to worship the same God, read the same Bible but pick and choose different scriptures to follow. Take the True North Community Church in Port Jefferson, N.Y., as noted in FOX News.

Pastor Bertrand Crabbe of the True North Community Church of Port Jefferson said the donor, who asked to remain anonymous, said, “This was why God put the ticket in his hands.” The state Lottery announced Wednesday that the independent Christian church will get at least $102,225 a year through the year 2028. The amount could be higher if withheld taxes are refunded because of the church’s nonprofit status.

Conversely from the aforementioned post,  this is a church (and a pastor) that doesn’t mind where the money came from, but rather what they intend to do with it. Oh, the church was given a $3 MILLION check as a result of the proceeds.

If any Wall Watchers dares to start the debate on WWJD, great. But in so doing, please answer WWYD as well.

You know, I wonder if somewhere the pastor who stood on his biblical laurels in the previous post is thinking, “You know, this foundation is cracking. Maybe I oughta’ get that Pick 6… in the name of Jesus, of course.”

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Comments
  1. Lu says:

    Hi All,
    this has been such a confusing topis to me as I have been wondering whether Lotto is sin free or not. I believe that I came to the right site for reading all about’t.
    Yeah man gambling is not right or sinful and Lotto is fulfilling what is needed and mostly by the poor who have access in playing and win, but what confuses me after I read some of your writings is that the Bible does not say gambling is right for the good reason or there is an excuse for gambling.

    Giving to the church from gambling money, believe you me is not right even if it is for the good cause. The clergy might not know where that comes from, but there’s someone who knows where.It is like stealing (sin) and give that to the poor and feel you have done something right. The Lord knows you have done wrong to do right and it is not blessed. Well I say, since this (lotto) is sin why dont we all use our God given brains and find work to assist the poor to assist themselves then blessed will be their achievement.

    Thjank you for opening my eyes because last Saturday I won R26 on lotto and now I wanted to see whether it is committing sin or not..

  2. Lover of God says:

    I have prayed and on several occasions and have never been convicted that this is wrong. It is a game. In the Bible it talks about Casting lots please explain why that is not defined as evil. It is merely stated without any condemnation attached to it. I believe that ANYTHING when it is placed above God is evil. I think we as children of the most High God and need to allow God to deal with the individuals and quit being so judgmental.

    Every dollar that has passed through the Church at one point or another has been either received or given to promote or support some kind of evil. Are you saying that every dollar should be turned away unless the church can prove it was received without any sin attached to it. If the pastor of a Church is led that the donation is wrong to take then so be it, but I challenge anyone to stand in judgment of the pastor that took the money. Pull the board from your own eye before taking the speck from another’s eye.

    I think it is a sad state when people force their own convictions on someone else to the point that people would be forced to hide in shame for something they are not convicted is wrong. I live in Oklahoma, where sometimes people are forced to not drink alcohol. Guess why, because the “religious people” believe it is wrong. What was the first written miracle Jesus performed? Water to wine.

    Please do what Jesus said love one another and no other god before Me. Pray for them. Love them but most of all DO NOT condemn them. I have seen so many people pushed out of the church for man’s laws and beliefs that are not based on anything biblical. We are in a very tough time in this world and if God wants to use the lottery to bless someone then we need to stand and applaud for another of God’s wonderful blessings.

  3. hiscrivener says:

    Yeah Lopez, believe me… I’m still mulling. Have you seen those gas prices?

    I’m like you – full bore into anything. Maybe that’s why I love Jesus they way I do?! At least, I hope that’s it.

    🙂

  4. petermlopez says:

    Very thought provoking as usual hiscrivener. You know, I had a similar discussion recently with my wife and mother about gambling, and believe it or not, I came to the conclusion that it may not be a sin for everybody. It would be dangerous for someone like me with an addictive personality to go to a casino with more than $50, and I realize this, thus the sin. My mother, on the other hand, who wouldn’t be phased a bit, would probably not be walking such a fine line.

    I have received cards (birthday, Christmas, etc.) with a lottery ticket in them, and if I won on one of those card, I don’t think I or the giver would necessarily be guilty of anything. But, I would most definitely give of the first fruits.

    Interesting…I’ll have to mull over this a little more.

  5. hiscrivener says:

    Much better. Truly.

    My apologies, Sister.

  6. Lavrai says:

    Not a ‘brother,’ friend… I am a sister. 🙂

  7. hiscrivener says:

    Lavrai, nicely done brother!

    Namely the way you ended your rant. Nice indeed.

    🙂

  8. Lavrai says:

    Howdy.

    I’ve been thinking about this story for a couple of days now. And I can only conclude that the means and the end of this situation are both wrong. Since when is gambling holy or righteous before the LORD? Why do people buy lottery tickets or gamble (besides being addicted to losing their money, homes, self-respect, etc.) — because they hope to get rich. They don’t think they have enough or just want to have it easy. As Christians our faith, trust and confidence (hope) is in the LORD Jesus Christ. So what are we doing when we buy a lotto ticket? Aren’t we saying that the LORD isn’t enough and that we doubt HE will provide for our needs?

    Personally, I know this to be true for I have been convicted and know others who have been convicted on this sin by the Holy Spirit.

    And how much do you want to bet (no pun intended), these church folks who buy lotto tickets and gamble — how much do you bet they literally sneak and creep to get the tickets and get into the casino? I wouldn’t be surprised if someone of them put on ‘disguises.’ If it’s not wrong, then what’s up with that? …Isn’t that why the congregant of this Port Jefferson wants to remain anonymous?

  9. hiscrivener says:

    That’s the rub. There aren’t, but if you consider what gambling is and how it affects those who let it capture them, it begs some research.

    Ephesians 2:10 “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” We are called to labor, to work. Isn’t gambling easy money, a quick fix, just like MLM and get rich quick schemes?

    1 Timothy 6:10 “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows” That “love of money” part gets me. I agree, there are many Americans that get the Pick 6 in an effort to help with the bills (namely now). But most, be honest, could care less about a job, family or whatever. They just want to get paid.

    Matthew 7:17 “Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit” What TYPICALLY happens to folk who come into a large dump truck of cash? It changes them for the worse – women, drugs, carefree spending, no investments, et al. You know the stories.

    Is the money nice? YES! Can God use it? Certainly! But is getting it through the lottery and playing craps how he wants us to get it? I really don’t know, which is why I found these two stories interesting.

    Thanks for your post. Peace.

  10. Paul Rose Jr says:

    I’m curious – what Scriptures is the pastor violating by accepting the lottery check? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

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